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   THE MEANING OF SCIENCE..AND WHY IT S**** IN INDIA..A MUST READ FOR ASPIRING ENGINEERS...
posted on 19 Apr 2010 16:43:08 IST    2779 views    46 comments
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This article is aimed at all the rats running in the greatest rat race in history currently taking place in our "great" country India. I'm talking about the rat race of engineering and technology and associated businesses. I happen to have wasted 3 years in this system, getting nothing in return, and ofcourse not IIT, perhaps an EML, but definitely not a main merit list rank. I aspire to be a THEORETICAL PHYSICIST. The last two words are amazingly 'latin n french' to many people. I'll talk about THEORETICAL PHYSICS in detail a little later on in this article.


Ok, so most of you reading this probably want to be "engineers". But i seriously doubt that any substantial number of you do really understand what that word means. Engineering is usually comprhended by most people to be a career option paying you good sums of money. Some see some kind of "sophistication" attached to it. Many see it as a very "exciting" field beaming with all kinds of great stuff (these are the stupidiest of all...), and a few see something that's very "intellectual" about it.

So though you might say that you love engineering and want to be an engineer and really want to be one for the sake of it, yet most of you probably are attracted towards the "intellect + money + sophisticsation" thing 'sub-consciously'.

 

Let me tell you that engineering includes none of the above factors i wrote about apart from perhaps money, though money would be a good enough reason for many to chose the field.

I won't generalize the above totally. There are people who really "want to be an engineer for the sake of engineering". Many of these do have an inbuilt aptitude for designig and innovation (which are nothing but synonyms for engineering), but "many do not". They think they do, but actually they do not. And it is this particular lot of people that I'd like to target through this article.

 

THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENCE AND APPLIED SCIENCE(ENGINEERING)

 

The absolute lack of understanding of the above heading is one main cause of the rat race.

So what is the difference between the two? You might have many times read and heard of the phrase "SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING". This phrase gives an impression to a novice, of science and engineering being more or less the same thing. Nothing can be further from truth.

Yes there is a connection between the two. Infact a very intimate connection. You could call science the "mother" and applied science the "baby", which are joined intimately by an "umbilical cord". But just because the mother and baby are interconnected so intimately doesn't necessarily make them one and the same thing. Despite the intimate connection, they are two "different individuals".

Engineering is just a branch of applied science. To understand it we must first understand what science stands for.

 

THE MEANING OF SCIENCE

Though there are one sentence definitions for the word science, i'm not going to give those. The best way to understand it, from a novice's point of view would be to consider the following very interesting facts.

1.) I'll ask you a very simple question.

"Can something (it could be any object, you, me or any other thing lying around you) , be present at an infinite number of different places "at the same time"? for eg. can you be present at home, and at school, and at tutions, and in the club, and infinite different places,all "at the same time", i.e. simultaneously??

it's a very simple yes or no question. And ofcourse you must have figured out by now that the answer must be a "yes" because otherwise I wouldn't have asked it.

And you are right. The answer is indeed a resounding "YES"!!!! This is what those four lines written under the heading of HEISENBERG"S UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE, in your textboks mean...!!!

Everything is present everywhere at the same time LITERALLY..!!!! And some fraction of your body is present right now 4 million light years away in the andromeda galaxy..!!! And vice versa. and not just the adromeda...but literally everywhere in the universe..!!! though your body is present in more amounts in a particular place than the other, and that's why a major fraction of your body is present right where you see it to be. The fraction of your body present elsewhere is very very small and can't be detected that easily.

But the interestig part is not the fractions. The interesting part is that you CAN be present at infinitely different places at the same time literally. The quantity in which you are present elsewhere is a secodary issue.

This is an area of theoretical physics called "QUANTUM PHYSICS" or "QUANTUM THEORY" or more popularly called "QUANTUM MECHANICS" which shook the world when it was concieved in the 1920's and continues to shake the world till date..!!!

Infact now we have almost all spiritual religions trying to understand and learn quantum physics because they can see different shades of spiritualism in it.

And if you doubt any of the above, just look at your computer monitor or your cellphone screen or any other electronic gadget lying besides you. If that is working fine, then so are the laws of quantum physics!!!

Since almost all electronic equipments employ the quantum theory.

Many people consider building such electronic devices very interesting. These are primarily the electrical engieers. yes it might be interesting, but it's really about degrees of interestingess.

What is more interesting to you, applications of quatum theory or the fact that you can be present at infinite different places simultaneously i.e. the theory itself???

If your answer is the latter option, then you prefer science over applied science...!!!

 

2.) EINSTEIN'S THEORY OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY

 

Do you think time travel is impossible?? If you do, you are uneducated in matters of science, since time travel was made possible in the year 1905, by ALBERT EINSTEIN, in his theory of special relativity!!

Yes that's true..!!! There is no law of physics preventing time travel. Infact physics gives a thumbs up to it..!!!

But making a time machine for humans is not viable technologically or economically.

But time machines do exist for subatomic particles. Subatomic particles like electrons and protons are made to travel into the future every other day in physics labs all across the world..!!! (and definitely not in an engineering college lab.....one more reason to abandon engineering..!!!)

The twin paradox:

suppose you had a twin sibling, in that, both of you are exactly the same age, let's say 18 years(though there would always be a gap of a few seconds even with twins..if you understand what i mean!!!!). Now suppose we arrange a spaceship for your twin sibling to go on an interstellar trip in outer space. The spaceship can travel at speeds comparable to the speed of light , which is nearly 3 lakh kilometres "per second" (that's whopping!!!!). So your twin enters the spacecraft...and you hug him/her...wish good luck...say bye bye and see you soon...and blah and blah...and blah...blah....blah..blah....!!!

After all the blah...blah...your twin takes off flying off into the outer space at a speed comparable to that of light.

Now your twin had told you that he/she would come back in lets say, 1 week.

You keep waiting but there's no sign of him/her after 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks....a month...2 months. By this time you start thinking that your twin might have blown himself up in outer space and is dead.

times passes and now you are almost 80 years old. And then suprisingly, one day you see your twin's spacecraft. when your twin steps out, you are blown away..!!

Your twin is not an 80 year old man as you would have expected...but instead he/she happens to be 18 years only....almost the age at which he/she left.

Your twin would be equally astonished to see you as an 80 year old man. The explanation for this confusing situation is this:

Time runs more slowly, the faster you move..!!!(this sentence is slightly vague...it requires a few more technical conditions along with that....but they dont make much of a difference in a qualitative first time coprehension) So when your twin was flying at an amzingly high speed, "time" slowed down for him/her..!!! It actually did..!!! So your brother actually kept his promise of returning back in a week because "for him/her, only a week had passed whereas 62 years passed by here on planet earth, where you waited for him and grew up to be an 80 year old man..!!!"

So effectively, your twin brother/sister traveled into the future...... !!!!!!

This is a basic consequence of einstein's theory and is called "time dilation".

Now one main thing that matters in this theory is your relative speed. The effects of this theory, like the above twin paradox, are observable to human senses only if the relative speeds are higher than 85-90% the speed of light...

But that does not mean that time dilation doesn't take place for low relative speeds. Infact it will tkae place for any speed that is bigger than 0.

So even when you are travelling in a car, "time is running slower for you than it is for a guy standing on the road..!!!" And this is not soem kind of illusion....You actually travel into the future ...your heart actually beats lesser number of times than that of the guy standing still on the road...!!!!

But since a car's speed is very small as compared to the speed of light, the effects are pretty small for human senses to notice. So if your car travels at something like 60 km/hr, you will travel into the future by something like 10^(-20) or 10^(-30) seconds only..(here the symbol ^ is used for 'raised to the power of'). Now we can hardly notice a difference of even 1 second, and thus theres no chace we'll detect a difference of ten raised to - 30 seconds..!! and that is why in everyday life we don't notice any time dilation...but that doesn't mean it isn't happening...!!!

the important part here is not the amount by which you can travel into the future.....but the fact that "you CAN travel into the future!!!!!!".... the time difference can always be made larger by increasing your speed...!!

There's also another very interesting consequence of special relativity..called length contraction....

The name itself says it all....so when you are travelling a car ....not only are you travelling into the future...but also "shrinking" along with your entire car...with respect to a guy on the ground...!!!

But again you don't observe this...because length contraction also depends upon your relative speed just like time dilation does...and so the amount by which you will shrink at the speed of a car will be unoticeable to human senses.....

So the next time you travel in your car, or bike, or even simply walk at some speed on the road.....enjoy travelling into the future and getting shrunk..!!!!

Unbelievable???? BELIEVE IT!!!

P.S. these effects are not illusions of any kind.....you "actually travel into the future " and you "actually get shrunk" !!!!.

SUGGESTED READING: there are millions and millions of resources...but I'll start at the one that might be immediately accesible to you...Last chapter of H.C. verma's book part -2.

3.) THE SCALE OF THE VISIBLE UNIVERSE

Many people do not even know about their own home....i.e. the universe.....For many people the universe simply means "the solar system + a bunch of stars"..... to some it means a place pretty big....but how big??? most of such people have no clue about that.

Our sun is just one star out of approx. 400 billion stars.. all of which are observable in the night sky...though you wont spot more than a few in a city because of pollution and city lights....

Try to imagine the number 400 BILLION. I know that it is big. But you should realize the "bigness" of it....

anyway moving on, these 400 billion stars( including our sun) form a "big group" of stars. Such big groups of stars are technically called "galaxies". In our case, this big group of 400 billion stars including our sun, is called the "Milky Way Galaxy" (because it looks kinda milky at night). Our sun is just a small star out of this group of 400 billion stars. All these 400 billion stars revolve around a common centre...much in the same way planets go around the sun. the shape of our galaxy is kindoff spiral. We can estimate it to be circular. Our sun is just one star out of 400 billion stars lying at almost the end of this disc of stars called the milky way galaxy and the sun, just like all the other 400 billion stars, goes around the center of the milky way. So we are essentially "inside" the milky way.

 

Now it doesn't end here..!!! it so happens that our galaxy, which is nothing but just a group of 400 billion stars, is just ONE out of BILLIONS OF OTHER SUCH GROUPS..!!!!!

And each of these groups (technically called galaxies) are made up of 100's of billions of stars!!!!

 

All the stars that you can see at night, even with the best telescopes, are just these 400 billion stars belonging to just our group of stars, i.e. the milky way. We cannot individually see the stars of other galaxies, atleast not with earthbound telescopes. What you can see is an entire galaxy, but not idividual stars making them up. Individual galaxies appear as small circular or eleiptical discs in the sky.

 

All of the above, is just 4% of what we presently think is the universe..!!!!


26% of the universe is made up of dark matter and 70 % is made up of dark energy..!!!

a must see youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUfJG4yWLg

4.) STRING THEORY - EXTRA DIMENSIONS, PARALLEL UNIVERSES

So you always thought that you lived in 4 dimensions...i.e. 3 of space and one of time??

A cutting edge theory of physics which was developed in late 60's and continues as a hot subject till date called string theory, predicts the existence of 7 extra dimensions..that human senses are not capable of detecting..!!!

It also predicts existence of "parallel universes"...!!! that means our universe is just one out of perhaps infinitely many..each of these universes having different possibilities of reality!!!!

And so perhaps there is a universe out there where dinosaurs are still alive because in that universe no asteroid struck the earth to kill them..!!!! and in some other hitler is still alive...!!! and in yet another...perhaps you were never born..!!!!

Though String theory currently doesn't have an absolutely unquestionable evidence ....but it is highly succesful in explaining most loose ends of physics.....and is thus widely regarded to be true....

Must watch videos on youtube:

string theory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7FV9aaiwKQ

(you can click on part 2, part 3, part 4...of this video on right panel)

parallel universes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s

(there are many others, just type "parallel universes" in youtube search box for more)

5.) THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER (LHC)

Perhaps you might have atleast heard of it. It is the biggest and the costliest experiment of science in all of human history.

It is a particle accelerator which is 27 kilometers in circumference..!!! it is buried 100 metres inside the ground ...under the french and swiss border. It cost something like 11 billion US $ to build.

It is aiming to search for the HIGG'S PARTICLE also called "THE GOD PARTICLE". Along with that , it will try to provide some experimental verification for string theory and many other scientific theories.

The organisation which has built it is CERN, which is the european organisation for nuclear research.

You must visit the following website of LHC:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html

youtube videos on the LHC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XotvwgnaY

5.) CONSCIOUSNESS AND QUANTUM PHYSICS CONNECTED!!

Atoms making up a certain chemical in your chemistry lab cannot realize that they are atoms.....for eg. a test tube of HCl doesn't know that is a test tube of HCl!!! but you do..!!! a table cannot realise that it is a table but you can.

These things cannot realise that they are nothing more than atoms...joined together by electromagnetic bonds....but you can!!

you can realise that you are atoms from head to toe..!!! And since it's our brain that does the thinking part, the brain can understand that it is nothing but atoms.

So basically the atoms making up the brain can realise that they are atoms...!!!!

ATOMS CAN THINK!!!!

This is called consciousness. Quantum physics has led to amazing discoveries about it. for eg. an experiment was coducted with computers which generated 0's and 1's randomly. after a long time, it was found out that o's and 1's both occured in almost equal amounts that is 50-50. Then a bunch of people were connected to these computers and they were told to "wish for a particular no. to show up on the computer" . They wished for 1. And after this the results that were found out were astonishing. The no. of 1's generated went up substantially than before!!!!somehow the consciousness of the people affected the random computer results...!!!!

more on this in this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AHSppYg_KY

6.) THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING

the curret aim of all of fundamental science , which is nothing but theoretical physics is to find a theory which describes our universe completely. Such theories are being hunted for and according to many physicists , we are nearing our ultimate search for it. String theory happens to be the strongest contender for it as of now. More on it can be googled or read in the book titled

THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING by Stephen Hawking which i've also mentioned in the booklist later on.

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the above paragraphs are just a tiny glimpse into the excitement called "PURE SCIENCE"..!!!! and specifically physics!!!

Mathematics too can be regarded as just a sub category of theoretical physics...at least in principle....

And it is Theoretical physics + mathematics that makes up "PURE FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE"...almost all great people that you might have heard of, from newton to enstein...and maxwell to schrondinger and dirac...mostly all happened to be theoretical physicists...(some mathematicians too) and not mechanical engineers or electrical engineers..!!!

Engineering happens to be just a sub branch of "APPLIED SCIENCE" which is nothing but applications of science.

Many have the wrong impression that science is simply a bunch of stupid equations leading nowhere....and engineering is something very interesting that actually creates exciting things....

again nothing can be further from truth.

It really depends on what you think is "exciting". Is creating a few new micro chips or cellphones (which all run simply on maxwell's four equations given more than a century back) more exciting than finding out parallel universes and extra dimensions.??..!!!!!

If you think making cool cellphones wins the war of "cellphones VS. parallel universes ", then you are most probably out of your head and might need a medical treatment...

And if you are in your mind...and go with the latter option...then you are on a completely wrong path..if you are an aspiring engineer....

because engineers dont discover parallel uiverses....."pure scientists" do......a B.Tech. will not even get you near what you will study in a standard physics course....

Lets take another example to make the point even clearer.

A mechanical engineer may boast of "creating new and exciting stuff" but no matter what he creates in his entire career....that creation of his will be based fundamentally on 3 equations of newton + 3 or 4 equations of thermodynamics.

So effectively, all that the engineer is doing, is simply toying around with principles of science and just creating different combinations of these equations and principles.

Most engineering students realize all of it when they are way into their courses in the 3rd or 4th year....and that's when they run for GRE preparations to apply abroad for physics courses......But then it's too late. Pure science and especially theoretical physics is a highly specific and a glamorous field. It has its own rigours which can't be possibly dealt with at such a late stage.

So it's about making the wise decision now.

A key thing that holds back people from pursuing their passions, especially in an economically developing country like ours is the income factor.

Consider this:

You might become an engineer do an MBA and get a nice paying job. And you will love it initially. But there is common principle that works for all human life. and that is "LIFE ALWAYS REMAINS AS NORMAL NO MATTER WHAT". A sudden change in your life can give you joy, but only "TEMPORARILY". After working in your highly paying firm for a few days, you will realize that you are not the only one making that much of money.....you will see millions of people around you making ten times more....living in ten times bigger houses.....and driving around better girls than you possibly ever can!!!!!.....and even if you become the richest in the world....initially you'll love it......but after some time.....everythig will become normal to you.....infact you'll start hating excessive publicity , fame....even if you happen to have a narcissist personality...!!! you will hate the constant intervention in your life and the fact that there are billions of people around the world keeping track of each every second of your life....!!!

Most of such people later on realize this and then they leave it all and run for their inbuilt passions.....somebody tries to learn music.....and make it big in music...because perhaps they never proritized it earlier in their life and instead were busy trying to get rich....some others would turn to sports.......and many would turn to arts and various other fields.....

do you seriously think that you have been born so that you can spend this entire life, sitting in some office of some MNC trying make as much money as you can???? everyday getting up and just thinking of making more money and more money and even more money?????

Life is most probably a one time game....cats perhaps have nine lives....but i dont think humans do...!!!!

You have got one life....one time to experience this amzing place called the "universe"...do you want to spend it away simply by becoming an engineer and just desiging electronic chips???or buildings...or cars????

do you think that building cars and electronic chips is the most interesting thing in the world???

If you call this interesting, then what would you call the few points i wrote above about science in general...?????

WHY THE RAT RACE IS TAKING PLACE MAINLY IN OUR COUNTRY

A one word answer to the above would be "SOCIO-ECONOMICS".


We(our country) have essentially lived like a bunch of poor and hugry people for the past one millenium due to excessive invasions.

After getting freedom in 1947, we got hold over our economy. The economy didn't do any wonders until lately...to be precise the early 90's. That's when our economic policy was changed and we went on to be a highly flexible a globally integrated economy. This is when all private sector businesses in the country , wether big or small, started flourishing. That continues to this day in the form of excessive jobs in sectors of IT and Business and management in general.

Due to so many economically good career options availible, many people tend to get carried away. They compromise their entire life just for the sake of a little more money.

Many of you would be included in this list. Life is not so much about gathering dollar or rupee notes but more about "LIVING IT"...if you understand what i mean.

I feel pretty bad when i see so much of bulls*** hapennig all around.....people talking about placements......jobs.....pay packages....and what institute offers which placements......it seems as if such people do not really understand how much more there is to this world and the entire universe in general that some godamn "INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY" and pay packages...!!!!

We are today living in a world of increasing opportunities. You will definitely make it big, financially and otherwise, in something that you have a natural temperament for...!!

CAREER doesn't mean deciding on the highest paying job.....rather it means how do you want yourself to be living your life 10 years down the line.....20...30 years down the line???? do you want to be entrapped in a MNC office for 8 hours a day everyday....being hardly left with anytime to do anything else.....(a complete deprivation of freedom of your life) ....or do you want to be a free bird....exploring life and the world....and livig your life your way....and not having your life dictated by some boss of the company ....

 

No amount of money can compensate freedom. you will perhaps realise this when you will get caged i some godamn office for most part of the day....not getting to do what you wish.....that's when you'll realise the meaning of freedom........and that's when ...i would hopefully be sitting on some beach ....with a pen and a paper....working out the secrets of the heavens and perhaps parallel universes....!!!!!!

The opportunities in our country in almost all the fields apart from engineerig and medical are scarce. This is the reason why people never really get to know of so many other things in the world....and are left to only become a doctor or an engineer...

Not studying pure academics after class 12th is not such a "bad idea" if you want to follow something else in the world.....it could be dancing...it could be art...could be music....could be opening up a restaurant ....could be becoming a cook.....becoming a mountaineer.....it could be just about anything at all....!!!!!

For eg. Not everybody in the US is trying to get into MIT or CalTech. Only a certain few try to do that....those who really wanna do that.....and that is because they have vast amounts of opportunities in almost everything in the world......

And that's why strnig theory was developed in western uiversities and not in indian....that's why michael phelps nails it down in the olympics and not indians....and that's why Richard Feynman was an american and not an indian......

All that indians are presently good at is....becoming stupid personality less...aimless geeks...!!!!

Opportunities are not goig to grow unless their is education amongst the masses and most importantly unless there is a demand for it....

naturally, if every damn guy in the country aspires to be an engineer....only stupid engineering colleges offering B.Tech. + MBA will crop up....!!!

CREATE THE DEMAND......AND DON'T FOLLOW OTHERS LIKE MINDLESS SHEEPS....!!! and the first contribution that you could make is forwarding this article!!!

This article was mainly about PURE SCIENCE but i seemingly wandered off into other important and related issues.

Anyway,

people interested in pure science must read the following books. These are an absolute must for a novice. These books have made thousands of people discover their love for pure science and become scientists....you could be the next...!!!

most of these are written at a layman level....so that all you require is the knowledge of english language.

1.) PARALLEL WORLDS, by MICHIO KAKU

2.) HYPERSPACE , by MICHIO KAKU

3.) THE THEORY OF EVERYTHIG, by STEPHEN HAWKING

4.) A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME, by, STEPHEN HAWKING

5.) THE ELEGANT UNIVERSE, by, BRIAN GREENE

6.) FEYNMAN'S LECTURES ON PHYSICS (3 VOLUMES) , by, RICHARD P. FEYNMAN

7.) PHYSICS OF THE IMPOSSIBLE, by , MICHIO KAKU

all of these books can be purchased at

www.flipkart.com

which is an indian online bookstore and will deliver all these books right at your doorstep.

Any one wanting to pursue theoretical physics, instead of engineering, must take up a proper physics course right from the beginning.

Followig institutes offer a B.Sc. + M.Sc. itegrated degree in physics:

The IIT's ofcourse:

www.iitm.ac.in

IISER(Indian Institute of Scientific Educatio ad Research)

http://iisertvm.ac.in/

It has 5 campuses currently. Google it.

BITS - PILANI (all campuses)

www.bits-pilani.ac.in

PAYSCALE IN THEORETICAL PHYSICS

The payscale in india would obviously be very low as it is the case here with any other field apart from engieering or medical.

But opportuities abroad are plentiful in comparison. The averasge payscale is somethig around 60,000 US $ per annum.

In indian currency, it would be somethig around 2 lakh rupees a month!!!

But if you are residing abroad, then the cost of living mught go up ...so to account for that, we might reduce this slightly so that the effective income according to indian standards would be something in between 1 to 1.5 lakh rupees per month.

So i might as well earn as much as most of you by studying extra dimensions and parallel universes...!!!!

also this is the starting salary....it can double up in a period of ten years if you get a professorship. It might be even higher if you can manage to pass out from top schools like MIT, CalTech, Princeton, Harvard.

Feel free to contact me at metalrose_03@yahoo.co.in

 

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VIV PAR is offline comment by VIV PAR      (posted on 20 Apr 2010 16:23:10 IST)
    And hence it proves satisfaction>money.
metalrose is offline comment by metalrose      (posted on 20 Apr 2010 16:51:15 IST)
    yeah....finally...atleast someone got me...!!! and the equation is bigger than that:knowledge>satisfaction>curiosity>inquisitiveness>intellect>............................uptil infinity > money
SCIENCECRAZZY is offline comment by SCIENCECRAZZY      (posted on 20 Apr 2010 19:58:46 IST)
    u may find parallel univ. and all other things intresting ,,,but it really makes no sense exploring this.....and the special thing about theorotical physicist is that the are driven towards science from their early childhood....and when they reach ur age ...they dont give iit entrance and say that i might not be in main merit list but in EML but they get scholarships from institutes better than IIT. they have vast pool of knowledge till this age
SCIENCECRAZZY is offline comment by SCIENCECRAZZY      (posted on 20 Apr 2010 20:02:08 IST)
    and its useless to explore a parallel universe...a fulfilled social life with parties ... family holidays....shopping ...etc are a better option
SCIENCECRAZZY is offline comment by SCIENCECRAZZY      (posted on 20 Apr 2010 20:03:56 IST)
    and yeah...its better to use ur brains to get someting constructive out of these lengthy and monotonous theories(which an engineer does) than to pile up stock of such theoies
metalrose is offline comment by metalrose      (posted on 20 Apr 2010 23:26:48 IST)
    @SCIENCECRAZZY....To you it makes no sense exploring parallel universes.........same way ...it didn't make any sense to the people of greece or babylon...when their scholars were developing mathematics....and same way..it made no sense to people when galileo was exploring the heavens.....and same way it made no sense to the people when newton gave his three laws....and same way, it made no sense to the people when einstiein gave his theory of relativity......and the list can go on....Your views are not unique....I've heard all of that trillions of times before...And I was never trying to target "your" kind of people through this article....so never mind...and go ahead and become a great engineer and do something "constructive"......You happen to be amongst the group of "BLIND PEOPLE"......Tell me...what gave birth to your "CONSTRUCTIVE" engineering??? Why do you study the newton's laws or the maxwell's equations...????Newton and maxwell were not engineers....and when they wrote their theories....it was not for any "CONSTRUCTIVE" purposes.....maxwell didn't know that his theory will be used to create almost half of todays communication systems.....but he still wrote his theory....not because he predicted some "CONSTRUCTIVE SOCIAL USE" of the theory....but because of reasons that BLIND PEOPLE like you can never see.....And if science is really that useless....why study it??? lets leave it then....according to your utterly stupid logics....all the scientists in the world should stop working ........And then do you know what will happen dude.....all of your "CONSTRUCTIVE TECHNOLOGY" will become stagnant.....and also according to your logic, newton, einstein, maxwell were all idiots who simply wasted their time....doing what they did.....and "YOUR KIND" are the intelligent ones who care about parties and holidays......nobody said you can't party if you study parallel universes...!!! Infact to change this steretypical image about science and scientists that you have, i suggest reading more about one of the funniest and the most happening physicists of all time "richard feynman"....Basically.....you are trying to tell me....that all people like einstein, newton....feynman....and present day guys like stephen hawking...michio kaku...edward witten...are all idiots....and you guys are the clever ones.....Take some time to think over the last few sentences.....and if you don't realize that you are going drastically wrong somewhere in your argument.....then you deserve the tag of a true idiot.....also, if it's all so pointless.....then why do you think....we today have the Large Hadron Collider...the LHC.....it's a "11 BILLION US$ MACHINE"...By your idiotic logics...you are also trying to imply that the guys who invested 11 BILLION US $ are idiots.....and so are the millions of physicists working around the clock at CERN and universities abroad.....You are also trying to tell me that a guy like EDWARD WITTEN....who is thought to be the cleverest guy after einstein...and who has won the FIELD"S MEDAL..which is the highest honor in mathematics.....analogous to the nobel prize....and who unified string theory into superstring theory and gave the M-theory.......is basically an idiot...wasting time on "pointless" things....when michael faraday discovered EMI, he was asked by a journalist :"Mr. faraday, all the electricity and magnetism thing is ok....and its ok that they are one and the same thing.....all that's ok.....but please tell us WHAT"S THE USE OF IT"????Faraday's reply: "You tell me, what is the use of a newborn baby"???think about this....when you have your first baby in the future....by your logics, even your newborn baby would be pointless...something that will consume resources of the earth....add more pullution.....and thus according to your highly intellectual logics, your "useless" baby should be killed right away....and as far as my not clearing iit is concerned:MORE THAN HALF THE FACULTY OF PHYSICS DEPARTMENT AT ANY IIT, ITSELF NEVER GOT SELECTED IN IIT AT THE UNDERGRAD. LEVEL....AND MANY OF THESE PROF.S HAVE DONE THEIR B.SC.'S FROM MEDIOCRE UNIVERSITIES IN THE COUNTRY....AGAIN BY YOUR LOGIC .....ALL THE GUYS SITTING IN THE PHYSICS DEPARTMENT OF A UNIVERSITY LIKE CALTECH...SHOULD GO AHEAD AND BECOME GREAT SCIENTISTS....BUT ONLY THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY....your comment above shows the level of your intellectual maturity....And I'll call you a KID....Go KID, grow up first......
!!**~~AKRITI~~**!! is offline comment by !!**~~AKRITI~~**!!      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 08:47:08 IST)
    hey metalrose! i personally loved ur article. bt d prblm is that u cant force ur views on ne1 else! @sciencecrazy is a well matured person having views opposite to urs bt dat duznt really mean that hes a kid! possibly ur a kid! lol! wat i wanna say is that, ur views are really nice cuz dey are YOUR views! i mean, srsly yaar, i neva thought of being a theoretical physicist, bt readin ur article, made me think abt it! sachee! so all i wanna say is, its gr8 uve written an article as this, bt be ready to face criticism! its life, not every1z gnna like wat u do, why u do! bt u need to take it in ur stride nd move on! u shudnt be so much affected by all dis yaar.. i mean u cant disgrace the thoughts of oder ppl cuz ur thoughts are nt supreme! there are ppl having different fields of thought!neways..loved ur article..lookin fwd 4 more such amazing articles in d future! :)
metalrose is offline comment by metalrose      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 10:34:31 IST)
    Hey akriti,
really nice to see somebody appreciating my views.....but i'm not a cry baby as you might think....!!! Even if i wouldn't have written the article, it wouldn't have mattered at all.....not to me at least.....
But I wrote it....and it's a pretty long one...!!! The reason for writing it is not so much to impose my views on others.......but to end the particular kind of thinking , the "sciencecrazzy" kind of thinking, that in the first place has misguided tons of people.....and led to making a complete joke of education and especially science in general....I personally know of many engneering students ....who were grilled for years in this precise "what's the use?" kind of thinking that "sciencecrzzy" and "his" kind posses.....and i've seen such people struggle to enter sciences or even various other fields afterwards.....
It's not me who is imposing my views on anybody else.....but infact it's the opposite....it's "his" kind that have imposed "their" kind of thinking on people for years that has led to the great indian engineering tamasha that we see today......
i have no problem taking crticisms, but i do have the right to refute those criticisms logically and sensibly, if they don't appeal to me....I'm not "imposing" any of my views on anybody.....infact I'm just opposing the "impositions" made by "his" kind over the years.......And yes I totally agree, "Sciencecrazzy" has the right to present his arguments......and that's what he did, and then even i have the right to counter those arguments if i can.....and that's what even i did....!!!!
a debate is never about imposing views.....it's always about providing arguments and counter arguments.......and if there are any impositions, they have been from the people of "his" kind throughout the years.......it's people of "his" kind that imposed "their" views on others ...and are thus responsible for all the nonsense going on in the country today......
and such people , i think, should be bold enough to take counter arguments from the other side......!!!!
so if you are replying on his behalf, then sorry to say, but then it's somebody else who is the cry baby here...!!!!lol!!!
anyway, great to hear your interest in theoretical physics....
I've also posted two other articles that comprise of two video clips....
go ahead and watch them too if you can....
Cheers!!
!!**~~AKRITI~~**!! is offline comment by !!**~~AKRITI~~**!!      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 11:28:01 IST)
    NO, i wasnt replyin on 'his' behalf.. :P its me nd only me! and i gues ur ryt! nd ur not a cry baby..ur a well matured person by ur thoughts! :) yes.. i saw d oder articles as well..dey are really nice! neways, take care! :)
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 12:51:58 IST)
    dude ..it all depends on the interests...v need engineers ....v need phycists..v need mathematicains..v need need chemists...v need biologists...etc...alll have their own importance...no 1 in better than d other.....if u say engineering is useless i would say u seriouslty got it wrong....i have given iit jee dis year wil also clear wid a decent rank...and i have been interested in physics and maths since a very young age...but what interests me more is their practical application..dats where engineer come into d picture...they r d 1s who create order out of chaos...even einstein himself had designed a camera and a refrigirator....so even he was an engineer...i agree people run blindly behind engineering considering d money....i seriosly feel sorry for them...i m myself intersted in mechanical engineering..and wont mind leavin iit if i dont get in it.....money never intersts me.i totally disagree that engineering is the child of science....both are parallel branch....and very very very intimately connected to the point that u cant tell the difference...but they sure are diffrnt...engineering without science is useless and vice versa.even i aspire to be a theoritac physicts...but practical application is what really fascinates me...and let me tell u ...i had studied special theory of relativity when i was in 9 th....and was succesfull in deriving those results independantly when in 11th.these days i m studyn.linear albegra and multivariable calculus.and have read all the books u had mentioned.
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 13:05:33 IST)
    u wear clothes whose fabric is made by engineers'..'u eat processed food whose packagng and processing machines have been built by engineers...u live in houses that have been designed by structiral engineers...u will teach in colleges whose building,clasrooms,labs..etc are there because of engineers...apollo missions have been possible because of engineers....e = mc^2 is useless without the building of the nuclear reactor..which was again by engineers....einstein's general theory of relativity would have been useless if the gps system was not developed.......small things like scissors.knife,comb,nail cutters have all been designed by engineers.imagine your life without them ...i can imagine my life without string theory and parallel universe....and a very bid myth..to be an engineer u dont need any degree...u just need a creative brain...thats wht a true engineer has not an iit or mit degree...and whole branch of thermodynamics was developed by engineers...and LHC would not have been posiible without engineers who built it...v wouldnt have know that there were more fundamnetal particles if it was not for particle acceleraotrs that were again developed by engineers....true science is the base..but engineers r the ones who actually shape those ideas ......science without engineering is useless and engineering without science is baseless
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 13:08:51 IST)
    and even some of the greatest physicists like eintein and newton,faraday..wrnt even physics graduate ..so dat dsnt matter either....u just need some brains and should know how to use it...u dont need to be professionally qualified.
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 13:09:23 IST)
    and i m sure einstein dint clear any GRE
metalrose is offline comment by metalrose      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 13:55:19 IST)
    HI AJAY,
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON WHATEVER YOU SAID ABOUT ENGINEERING.......
THOUGH YOU PRESENTED THE CASE OF ENGINEERING AND APPLIED SCIENCES VERY WELL, YOU WENT FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG IN INTERPRETTING WHAT "I WANTED TO CONVEY".....
EVEN I, LIKE YOU, BELIEVE THAT NOTHING IS MORE "IMPORATNT" THAN ANYTHING ELSE.....THAT SCIENCE IS NOT MORE "IMPORTANT" THAN ENGINEERING.....INFACT I WOULD SAY ENGINEERING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SCIENCE....!!!
ALSO, AS I'VE ALSO SAID THIS IN ANOTHER ARTICLE I WROTE AS A REFUTATION TO "SCIENCECRAZZY'S" ARGUMENTS, THAT WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE "USES" HERE, NOR ARE WE DISCUSSION "SOCIAL SERVICE" HERE......THAT IS SIMPLY NOT MY POINT....
IF IT COMES TO SOCIAL SERVICE....BENEFIT TO MANKIND.....I WOULD SAY, APPLIED SCIENCE IS THE BRAIN.....AND ENGINEERING ARE THE HANDS OF APPLIED SCIENCE.....
"PURE SCIENCE" WAS NEVER ABOUT "IMPORTANCE" OR "USES" OR "SOCIAL SERVICE".........
SO LITERALLY SPEAKING, YES, SCIENCE DOESN'T BOTHER ABOUT ITS USES OR IMPORTANCE TO EVERYDAY LIFE IN GENERAL....IF SCIENCE CREATES SOME TECHNOLOGIES OR APPLICATIONS, THEY ARE SOMETHINGS THAT SCIENTISTS DO JUST "BY THE WAY"......

BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS NOT MEANT FOR DIRECT APPLICATION, DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T DO THAT THING......
FOR EXAMPLE, A NEWBORN BABY IS ABSOLUTELY USELESS......IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER....INFACT HE, AFTER BECOMING AN ADULT WILL ONLY ADD MORE MESS TO THE WORLD........BUT DOES THAT MEAN WE STOP PRODUCING BABIES...????

WHAT DO YOU THINK, DROVE SOME OF THE GREATEST MINDS LIKE EINSTEIN AND NEWTON......???? EINSTEIN DESIGNED A CAMERA AND A FRIDGE....SCIENTISTS OFTEN ENGAGE IN SUCH APPLICATIONS....IT'S NOT A NEW THING....AND AS I SAID....IF A SCIENTIST DEVELOPS AN APPLICATION, IT IS SOMETHING THAT HE DOES....JUST "BY THE WAY".....

THE FRIDGHE AND THE CAMERA WERE NOT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF EINSTEI'S CAREER.....IT WAS GENERAL RELATIVITY....AND HIS ROLE IN DEVELOPMENT OF QUANTUM PHYSICS....
HE DIDN'T DO ALL OF THIS BECAUSE HE HAD SOME APPLICATIONS IN MIND......
YOU GO ON TO REMARK THAT E=MC^2 IS USELESS WITHOUT A NUCLEAR REACTOR.....THAT'S QUITE HILARIOUS SINCE....THAT ONE EQUATION HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED OUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE UNIVERSE......AND THE NUCLEAR REACTOR IS JUST ONE SMALL APPLICATION OF IT...
THE PROBLEM IS THAT MOST PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHERE IT ALL FITS IN AS FAR AS THE "APPLICATIONS" ARE CONCERNED......BUT LACK ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RELEVANCE OF STUFF IN PURE SCIENCES.....WHICH IS CAPABILITIES OF HUMAN UNDERSTANDING......
HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED....THAT SINCE 14 BILLION YEARS , THIS UNIVERSE HAS EXISTED.....THAT STILL, MILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS AWAY....THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ATOMIC PROCESSES GOING ON.....STARS ARE BEING BORN AND ARE DYING.....BLACK HOLES ARE BEING CREATED THAT PERHAPS LEAD INTO OTHER BABY UNIVERSES.......THAT ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE PAST BILLIONS OF YEARS NOW......NOT CARING WETHER ANYBODY IS LOOKING AT THEM OR NOT......DON'T YOU WONDER "WHY"??

DON'T YOU WONER WHY IS T ALL THERE? WHY DOES IT ALL EXIST??? WHY DID THE BIG BANG TAKE PLACE 14 BILLION YEARS AGO....??? AND WHAT LAY BEYOND THE BIG BANG????? AND WHY????

DO YOU REALIZE HOW MARVELLOUS A FACT IT IS THAT WITHIN 400 YEARS, HUMANS HAVE WORKED THEIR WAY BACK UPTIL THE BIG BANG 14 BILLION YEARS INTO THE PAST....JUST BY USING A PEN AND A PAPER AND THE SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY......AN INQUIRY WITHOUT A PURPOSE OR A "USE"....!!!
THAT HOW MARVELLOUS IS THE FACT THAT YOU BEING ATOMS FROM HEAD TO TOE....BEING NO MORE DIFFERENT THAN A TABLE OR A CHAIR....CAN "UNDERSTAND" THAT YOU ARE ATOMS.....WHEREAS A TABLE CANNOT.....!!!

DO YOU REALIZE A MARVELLOUS FACT THAT TODAY HUMAN BRAIN HAS THE CAPACITY TO LOOK FOR PARALLEL UNIVERSES AND EXTRA DIMENSIONS...????
DO YOU UNDERSTAND AJAY, THAT YOU ARE LITERALLY LIVING IN A FAIRY TALE WORLD WITH ABSOLUTELY FANTABULOUS STUFF HAPPENING ALL AROUND YOU....!!!! THAT YOU ARE LIVING A SHERLOCK HOLMES MYSTERY....AND ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MYSTERY....HEADING STEP BY STEP FORWARD....AND EXPERIENCING EXCITING TWISTS IN THE MYSTERY EVERY OTHER DAY...??!!!
AS I SAID....THE POINT OF MY DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT THE "IMPORTANCE" OF ANYTHING BUT RATHER THE "INTERESTINGNESS" OR PURE EXCITEMENT...!!!
NOW TELL ME, DO YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER SITTING IN ONE PART OF THE PLANET DOING OTHING MORE THAN SOLVING PROBLEMS OF EVERYDAY LIFE ...... MORE INTERESTING THAN UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU EXIST.....AND WHY IT ALL EXIST....AND WHAT ALL LIES AHEAD...AND HOW MUCH MORE THERE MIGHT BE TO IT ALL....???!!!

AND YES ...TODAY HALF OF EXPERIMENTS OF THE WORLD ARE RUNNING ON APPLIED SCIENCE....LIKE YOU CORRECTLY POINTED OUT....EG.. THE LHC.....BUT WHY WAS THE LHC BUILT.....WAS IT BUILT SO THAT A BUNCH OF ENGINEERS CAN JUST CREATE SOMETHING HUGE AND BOAST ABOUT THEIR CREATIONS...OR WAS IT BUILT TO FIND THE "GOD PARTICLE"........TELL ME WHAT IS THE BIGGER PURPOSE HERE???? AGAIN, I REMIND YOU THAT I'M NOT UNDERMINING THE "IMPORTANCE" OF APPLIED SCIENCE, BUT RATHER IT'S "INTERESTINGNESS"........

SOME PHYSICIST ONCE SAID,

"IT'S UNCOMPREHENSIBLE AS TO HOW THE UNIVERSE IS COMPREHENSIBLE"
WE HAVE TODAY LEAPED FROM THE PAST ERA'S OF NOT KNOWING ANYTHING TO KNOWING ALMOST EVRYTHING......

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MARVELLOUS A FACT IT IS THAT WE , ALL HUMANS, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, CONSTITUTE THE UNIVERSE, AND THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE UNIVERSE???
THAT "THIS UNIVERSE CAN UNDERSTAD ITS OWN SELF??!!!!!"

YES ENGINEERING CREATES, SCISSORS, PROCESSED FOOD, CLOTHES.....ET ALL....
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT SCIENCE CREATES , IT CREATES YOUR ENTIRE APPLIED SCIENCE, AND ABOVE THAT

"SCIENCE CREATES MARVELS...."
DO REPLY IF YOU DON'T AGREE ANYWHERE,
CHEERS...!!!
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 14:13:52 IST)
    u are ryt..i agree totally...but den fundamentally what matters is the interest....the questions u have put up may interest u to the point that u spend ur whole life tryin to find the answers infact it is the same with me...as i told u before i m highly intersted in theoretical physics..and myself being from a highly religious family which i m nt evn slightly am often discouraged to ask such question....that really dsnt stop me though...anyway point is..these may be intriging to you nd me but den it dsnt mean dt it is for evrybody...for some people human body is far more fascinating hence they become doctors...evry 1 is different....every1 has differnt intellect so u cant generalise...and i remeber i read a line in my science book ..."all living things are made of non living things" since then i am just wondering why this is so....black holes,the ever expanding universe,big bang ..alll may be highly inrestibng infact it is....and they dont any practical implication as of now...and who know 1 day maybe we will be able to harness the power of black holes to create electicity...or maybe sum thng diffrnt altogether..who know???thats when engineer come in2 the play.
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 14:15:15 IST)
    may i know what exactly u do???
ajay chandrashekar is offline comment by ajay chandrashekar      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 14:15:39 IST)
    i mean which college??
metalrose is offline comment by metalrose      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 14:33:38 IST)
    HI AJAY,
I HAD TAKEN A DROP THIS YEAR, AND GAVE JEE....SCORED AROUND 165....SO WILL NOT MAKE IT MOST PROBABLY....RIGHT NOW IM BASICALLY TRYING FOR BITS-PILANI AS THEY ARE OFFERING AN INTEGRATED M.SC. IN PHYSICS.....
YES YOU ARE RIGHT, EVERY ONE IS UNIQUE AND EVRY ONE IS DIFFERENT

I'M NOT ASKING EVERYONE TO BECOME A THEORETICAL PHYSICIST OR A SCIENTIST IN GENERAL....THAT WOULD BE A VERY STUPID SITUATION.....EVERYBODY BEING A PHYSICIST...!!!

MY ARTICLES AS I SAID....ARE TARGETED TOWARDS THAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE INHERENT CAPACITY AND EYESIGHT TO APPRECIATE NATURE.....WHO HAVE THAT INBUILT ROMANTICISM ......

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO OFTEN GET MISGUIDED ESPECIALLY IN OUR COUNTRY....

MANY PEOPLE I KNOW, WANT TO BE LIKE STEPHEN HAWKING.....AND THEY THINK THEY CAN GET THERE BY GETTING A B.TECH. DEGREE IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING....

YOUSEE, HOW THEY RELATE IT??? THEY KNOW HAWKING DID SOMETHING ABOUT VLACK HOLES....AND BLACK HOLES ARE A SUBCATEGORY OF SPACE STUDIES.....AND THE WORD AEROSPACE ENGINEERING INCLUDES "AERO" AND "SPACE"....AND THEY FEEL IT'S MUCH ABOUT THE SAME THING AS WHAT HAWKING DOES...!!!!

THIS UNEDUCATION IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO TARGET.....

I'M NOT AT ALL TRYING TO TARGET THOSE ONES WHO FIND DRIVING FLASHY CARS MORE INTERESTING THAN HIDDEN DIMESNIONS......NO MATTER WHAT YOU TELL THAT KIND OF PEOPLE, THEY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.....

I'M JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE AND RESCUE "OUR SORT OF GUYS"......IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.....

AND SO MUCH OF INCORRECT PERCEPTION AND FALSE KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE IS PRESENTLY FOUND ONLY IN OUR COUNTRY.....ESPECIALLY DUES TO THE ENGINEERING NONSESNE.....

THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.....HELPING PEOPLE TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING AND THEORETICAL COSMOLOGY....!!!

TELLING THEM THAT IF SOMETHING DOESN'T HAVE A USE, DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE INTERESTING OR FUN.......

LET'S SEE HOW SUCCESFUL I CAN BE....

ALSO YOUR BELONGING TO A STRONGLY RELIGIOUS FAMILY IS PRETTY SAD.......I HAVE PRETTY STRONG VIEWS ABOUT THAT TOO....BUT PERHAPS WILL EX[RESS THEM SOME OTHER TIME.....

DO YOU ANY WAY MIND SHARING WITH ME WHICH RELIGION YOUR FAMILY FOLLOWS...??? THOUGH YOUR NAME SUGGESTS YR A HINDU....

ANYWAY,

CHEERS!!!
imperiousleo is offline comment by imperiousleo      (posted on 21 Apr 2010 14:46:41 IST)
    peace people,i personally is trying to woo those ppl who have an inclination towards science but are misguided by coachings,friends yada yada,,,to keep it simple,one must follow whatever s/he is interested in...wanna be a investment banker try to get into a good MBA insti.wanna be a scientist try getting into a good research insti.wanna be a engineer try getting into a good engg. insti.
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